Amelia’s Magazine | Digitonal: Beautiful Broken – an interview with Andy Dobson

DIGITONAL BEAUTIFUL BROKEN cover art
Andy Dobson is Digitonal: a classically trained melodic electronic music pioneer. He is back with a brand new album called Beautiful Broken which is a gorgeous slice of cinematic electronica inspired by Steve Reich and the Orb.

Where did you originally train as a clarinettist and singer?
From childhood basically. I was surrounded by classical music from a very young age. My local church and primary school both had music at the heart of everything they did so it was just total immersion. I had piano lessons from about 6, clarinet lessons from 8 and was singing the treble solo in the Allegri Miserere at 10. I can’t ever remember a time when it wasn’t part of my life.

You have been making music as an electronic artist for nearly two decades, what has changed in your life over that time, and how have these changes informed your music making?
Too much really. It’s quite a thing to look back on it. In practical terms, the shift from hardware to computers, and in particular Ableton Live, has had a huge impact on how I practically write music. Although it’s also underlined the importance of the fundamentals for me too – the cleverer the software gets, the more inventive I find I have to be to do what *I* want to do in it, rather than how the software wants me to work. This album really was a return to basics for me in how I write – less reliance on the software processes and more on my own musicality. In personal terms – a huge range of extreme happiness and depths of despair in various cycles. Some of the most profound unhappiness I could imagine knowing, and yet also, as I’ve grown older, a coming to terms with who I am, both as a person and as an artist, and learning how to be both those things better. I’ve made a lot of mistakes over the years in all sorts of ways, and, whilst the music is rarely directly influenced by specific events (in that I don’t really write “about” things), that overall journey of growth and learning is definitely reflected in how the music has evolved. It’s a life’s work really, which is why I also know that I’ll always make music and it’ll always evolve.

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Why was it so important for you to create space within the music featured in this new album?
I think that was part of the growing up bit really. My temptation was always to over-orchestrate things and I think that was reflected in the pace of my life. I came to a point, particularly last year, where I needed to find some space in my head. Mostly I think I needed to generate contrast and a better balance of the many fronts that I was struggling with, and use my emotional resources more sparingly and I think that this profoundly impacted how I wrote. Even in the mixing stage I learnt the value of subtractive mixing, of taking out frequencies and levels and musical elements until the bare minimum of what made the part work was left. Out of that comes a far greater musical coherence, particularly when the piece itself might be fairly complex. Also learning not to contrive things to sound a certain way (like on a festival stage for instance when I was doing a lot of music festivals) was an important lesson. Whilst I love complexity in music, going back to minimalism was, I think, my way of decluttering my head and focussing on what was really important in the music.

How have the collaborations on this album worked?
With great difficulty by and large. It’s definitely a much more solo effort than previous records which were more heavily co-written. Partly that was because Samy is so busy now and time and distance means we just don’t have the hours in the day which we used to. Most of this material was written over a very long period and gradually hammered into shape. It would normally take on big leaps and bounds (particularly We Three for instance) when we played live which has been gradually getting more difficult. There were many revisions. We did most of the violin recording in about two days. The harp was a single session in my front room. Georgina Hoare, the wonderful cellist on some of the tracks, was introduced through a mutual friend and was kind enough to put down the basis of most of the cello parts for me to structure. Samy then recorded Ivan’s bits separately on the back of another session he’d done with him – I wasn’t even aware of it. So it kind of came together very slowly through little pieces of effort as we could fit them in. We did the final mix in one long weekend at Samy’s place, a good year after the original recordings. I’ve learnt to work this way, even though it’s quite contrary to my nature which tends to be more directly collaborative.

In what way has the music of Steve Reich informed the making of Beautiful Broken?
Well Reich’s obviously a major influence and always has been – my first released track was Drencrom on the Toytronic Neurokinetic compilation which was a clumsy attempt at trying to recreate that style using digital production techniques. This project was born from a recognition of the cross-over between what Reich, Nyman, Riley, Bryars etc were doing and what I was hearing in the chill-out rooms of 90s techno clubs. But it’s only really in this record that I wanted to really explicitly address it. So Proverb sets the same text as Reich’s piece of the same name (albeit musically very differently), there’s snatches of Reich-style marimbas in Autumn Round, and then obviously Eighteen. I originally wrote the basis for Eighteen for the 64-bar-challenge that a music community ran a few years ago. I’d been listening to Music for 18 Musicians loads, particularly movement IIIA, and just wanted to kind of give it a go. But I put it into 5/4 instead and went my own way with it. It’s got some little musical in-jokes, like using the celeste part to announce each change in section, and some direct quotes for those that know the piece well, but really it was my own way of making tribute I suppose. It’s a pretty trendy thing to do now I suppose, but he’s such a huge figure for most of us that’s not surprising. I always think that his melodic touches are never recognised enough with most people focussing on the rhythmic elements and that was mostly the attraction for me. Influence is rarely direct for me, but more a kind of vibe thing. There’s touches of it throughout the record, even when I’m not being explicit about it.

Where can fans see you play in the coming months?
Hopefully something to announce soon on this, but we are playing the Greenbelt Festival in August which I’m really looking forward to because I think it’s going to be a very diverse audience who’ll be more attuned to the delicate moments than our usual electronica audience often is.

Beautiful Broken by Digitonal is out on the 4th of May 2015 on Just Music

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Amelia’s Magazine | An interview with The Raincoats as 1981 album Odyshape is rereleased on We ThRee

The Raincoats by James Shedden
The Raincoats by James Shedden.

The Raincoats are an all girl band who formed during the late 1970s and split up in the mid 1980s. I was very little at the time of their original releases so unfortunately I did not discover The Raincoats until much more recently, online well into my adult years. The band had an exciting can do attitude that melded punk, see classical and reggae influences into spiky arrhythmic folk punk tunes that even today sound way more exciting than many current bands. They reformed in the mid 90s after a resurgence in interest thanks to gushing plaudits from Kurt Cobain and are now widely hailed as one of the seminal post punk bands. I catch up with founders Ana da Silva and Gina Birch as they gear up to rerelease their second album on its 30th anniversary.

Raincoats in Poland

Why did you decide to reissue Odyshape now?
ANA:  This year is the 30th anniversary of this album. So, as we like anniversaries, we decided to release The Raincoats and Odyshape on their 30th… We remastered the albums for Japan and re-did the art work so it would sound and look the best possible. We now own the rights to them and, as they should be available, we thought we’d release them on our own label We ThRee. Both on CD and vinyl. They look and sound the best ever! Theyl also have a booklet and A4 sheet respectively with liner notes, lyrics, photos and a piece of writing from me on the 1st album and from Gina on Odyshape.

The raincoats odyshape
What does Odyshape mean?
GINA: The title was a pun on the odyssey of a body. The idea that a body could have an ideal shape and it if did, what happens when a body doesn’t live up to that ideal. It was at a time, when (as probably now) there seemed to be a body fascism. It was important for women to be this shape or that shape. Thanks to people like Beth Ditto, and hopefully The Raincoats, things have been broken down a little. Hair can be crazy, messy, outfits can be baggy or tight, inside out or upside down, we can be fat or thin, creative, playful, stylish and beautiful without having to subscribe to some fashion mag ideal.

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You formed the original band whilst still at art college… how did your studies in art influence how you made music?
ANA: Besides the obvious side of art work, I think we’re trying to do what art should do: create works that inspire other people, that question the status quo, that express ideas which come from our own minds and hearts and also works that look at the human condition and provide some comfort to the listener.

The Raincoats by Karin Soderquist
The Raincoats by Karin Soderquist.

Odyshape seems to owe as much to contemporary classical music as it does punk – was this something that inspired you?    
ANA: We listen to all sorts of music so, intentionally or unintentionally, different  things appear. I do like some classical music very much, like the Bach‘s cello suites, Erik Satie, some opera, etc.  but I don’t think my playing sounds very classical…maybe you mean the violin which was played by Vicky Aspinall who is classically trained.

The Raincoats by Janette Beckman1981
The Raincoats in 1981.

You haven’t produced a new album since the mid 90s – what have you been up to since then?
ANA: I’ve been doing my own solo music and released an album called The Lighthouse on Chicks On Speed records. I’ve also been doing some drawings and paintings some of which I’ll be showing at the Pop Montreal festival, together with Gina’s videos and Shirley’s photographs. It’s really a great opportunity to show our art, visual and musical. It’s the first time we do this and are very happy and excited about it.
GINA: I have been collaborating with various musicians and artists and very involved in a project called The Gluts, (with two women artists) Also I have been playing solo, writing songs, making films, painting and, raising two children.

The Raincoats by Rukmunal Hakim
The Raincoats by Rukmunal Hakim.

Gina – you were an early fan of the craft revival – knitting on tour. Do you still craft and if so what?
GINA: I did knit on the first Raincoats tour, when I wore the jumper at the final gig… and then didn’t do any knittingfor quite a few years but have always liked to paint, draw, knit, mosaic, make films whatever. I have been knitting a lot in the last year or two and have made Raincoats inspired bags, and I have also been sewing banners with lyrics and messages on them.  

The Raincoats by Kassie Berry
The Raincoats by Kassie Berry.

Has Gina Birch’s film, The Raincoats, Fairytales, been completed? 
GINA: The film is still a work in progress. It is an organic process it seems and hopefully will be concluded in the coming six months.

YouTube Preview ImageBaby Song performed live in the 80s

You will be playing your debut album live again at ATP this December – anything special in store and what are you looking forward to most about the Holiday Camp experience?
ANA: Just playing is a special thing, but we’ve played twice at ATP and really enjoyed it: swimming, meeting people, being able to choose amongst so much different music and the relaxed atmosphere. We will be playing the first album at Jeff Mangum‘s request but will play other songs too, not sure which yet.

YouTube Preview ImageThe Raincoats perform live at ATP in 2010

Which other current bands do you enjoy listening to or watching?
ANA: I think P.J. Harvey‘s latest album is so good, so I enjoyed listening to it at seeing them live a couple of times. Also saw Portishead whose music I like but had never seen live and that was very good too. I was listening yesterday to Ponytail, Colleen, Electrelane, Neutral Milk HotelLouis and Bebe BarronJenny O in the car coming back from Portugal.

The-Raincoats-By-Barb-Royal
The Raincoats by Barb Royal.

What next for The Raincoats?
ANA: We’re doing a tour in the U.S.A. and Canada (New York, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto and Montreal) in September and ATP in December. And because of the re-release of Odyshape and those dates some interviews too… thanks for your part. Otherwise nothing concrete, but I’m sure other things will happen.

YouTube Preview ImageOnly Loved at Night, performed live in 2009

Odyshape is rereleased in heavyweight vinyl and as a special edition CD on We ThRee records on September 12th 2011. The band will tour the east coast of the USA from 16 – 26 September 2011 and play Jeff Mangum’s ATP, Minehead on 3 December 2011.

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